I remarked to Jake how incredibly common that scene is in tv shows and movies. I see it all the time. What I mean is the scene in which the man tries to get the woman to do something she doesn't want to do, and he ultimately succeeds with sheer persistence. That persistence (that willingness to exert pressure, that unwillingness to take no for an answer) is viewed as acceptable and even charming. And it usually works. The guy gets the girl in the end.
I hate that message and its ubiquity because I lived it for a long time. When I was living it, it felt normal, because it is normal, it's everywhere, especially in our media. When I met my ex in college he used to do things like offer me something to eat, to share a piece of candy he had in his backpack or whatever. I'd say "no, thanks" and he'd press a little, saying "but it's bad for you!" I'd laugh and take him up on it. This subtle dynamic governed all of our years together. He'd press and press, and usually I would give in. This fact kind of surprises me about myself, as I'd wager that most people don't view me as the kind of person who goes against what she really wants just to please other people, but it felt natural. So we took trips to places I didn't want to visit, and somehow never managed to make it to the places I really wanted to see. And we ate out at places that didn't really excite me, but never went to Thai or Indian restaurants. And we did all kinds of things I didn't feel all that interested in, because he was very good at exerting pressure and I was very bad at saying no. In some ways, this was good for me as it pushed me into hobbies that I wouldn't have gotten into otherwise, like hiking. But in the long term, it was just really bad for me, because I started to feel invisible.
I don't mean to paint this as a bad character trait of my ex, because it certainly isn't unique to him. He also didn't even realize he was doing it most of the time. It was just second nature to him. He wasn't overtly cruel about it; he would never belittle me or attack me for not going along with what he wanted to do. And if I said something like "I'm feeling backed into a corner", he'd stop, horrified to realize what was going on, and would cut it out and express contrition. So it's not like he was trying to be a jerk at all, but I think his behavior is just something he'd picked up somewhere, and it worked for him. One time he said "I'm just so used to trying to get my way, and I didn't realize how that might not actually be a good thing." I think folks are kind of conditioned to press for things, especially in our culture. I was so used to it too that it wasn't even something I noticed until we'd been together for a long time. And I was so bad at saying no that the few times I did do it, I felt weird and uncomfortable and upset about the possibility of upsetting him. Like I didn't take it as my right to say no to stuff.
After reflecting on all of that I decided to not be ashamed or feel guilty about saying no to things that I wasn't comfortable with. I was pretty strong about that when I met Jake, but it didn't matter because Jake is not the kind of guy who pushes for things. Jake is the kind of guy who goes along with what the other person wants to do. Jake's the go-along guy, the guy his brother or his friends can convince to do anything. Even today, although I am aware of this dynamic and how much it can hurt me, I still have a hard time saying no to people. I typically say "yes" off the bat rather than "no", because I just don't feel right saying no. And sometimes, I still allow myself to get sucked into a persuasion dynamic, not even recognizing that it's happening in the moment, not even cutting it off when the conversation turns a little too forceful, a little too personal, a little mean.
So now I turn my thoughts to Nora and Milo. I want to be able to teach both of them how to stand up for themselves and say no to things. I also want to teach them to respect other people's limits and not be too insistent or pushy. All while also teaching them to be open to new experiences, because great things can come from abandoning your first instinct and just saying "yes" every now and then.
So how do I do all that? Heck if I know. They're not even 2 yet, so perhaps that's too young to think about broader issues like these in parenting, but my gut tells me that you can't just act any old way and then sit down and have a philosophical talk when they're 14 and expect the talk to overrule years of modeled behavior. So all I've come up with so far is modeling. Jake and I can model respectful behavior towards each other, accepting each other's desires and wishes and not being too pushy. That's the easy part. Then I figure that we should also model this behavior with Nora and Milo too, which means respecting them when they say no to the things that are open for negotiation, and not pushing too much.
It's tricky because you pretty much have to make kids do stuff they don't want to do all the time. So I can't accept their no's when it comes to bedtime or putting their coat on or a hundred other things. But I figure I can bend a little and accept their need for autonomy and control over the things that don't matter so much, not to mention listen to their signals when they don't seem to be ready or comfortable with something that's not critical. So if Nora's not ready to try a soybean, I accept it and don't force her. And if Milo doesn't want to wear a hat and I can keep him in the shade, then so be it.
So now I turn my thoughts to Nora and Milo. I want to be able to teach both of them how to stand up for themselves and say no to things. I also want to teach them to respect other people's limits and not be too insistent or pushy. All while also teaching them to be open to new experiences, because great things can come from abandoning your first instinct and just saying "yes" every now and then.
So how do I do all that? Heck if I know. They're not even 2 yet, so perhaps that's too young to think about broader issues like these in parenting, but my gut tells me that you can't just act any old way and then sit down and have a philosophical talk when they're 14 and expect the talk to overrule years of modeled behavior. So all I've come up with so far is modeling. Jake and I can model respectful behavior towards each other, accepting each other's desires and wishes and not being too pushy. That's the easy part. Then I figure that we should also model this behavior with Nora and Milo too, which means respecting them when they say no to the things that are open for negotiation, and not pushing too much.
It's tricky because you pretty much have to make kids do stuff they don't want to do all the time. So I can't accept their no's when it comes to bedtime or putting their coat on or a hundred other things. But I figure I can bend a little and accept their need for autonomy and control over the things that don't matter so much, not to mention listen to their signals when they don't seem to be ready or comfortable with something that's not critical. So if Nora's not ready to try a soybean, I accept it and don't force her. And if Milo doesn't want to wear a hat and I can keep him in the shade, then so be it.
Back to the movie: I'd love to see a movie with a different dynamic between the man and the woman. Maybe one in which the woman expresses some hesitation or discomfort about something, and the man doesn't even think to push, pressure, or try to persuade her. Because he recognizes that she's an actual person with feelings that matter. Because he respects those feelings. Because he'd never want to make her do something if she didn't feel right about it. Because how she felt mattered more to him than getting his way.
I guess, in the end, that'd be a pretty boring movie.
